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#7357 - 12/01/09 03:21 PM
Re: Limit the number of bowlers at school...
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LUCoach
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Registered: 03/19/07
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Loc: St. Charles (St. Louis, MO)
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As a point of clarification, the roster limit has not been officially imposed. It was a motion debated within the coaches association and recommended.
USBC-Collegiate has the final call and I don't believe a final decision has been made. Thus, a good reason to continue the debate and hear from as many bowlers, tournament directors and anyone else with a vested interest in collegiate bowling.
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Lindenwood University Bowling
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#7358 - 12/01/09 03:29 PM
Re: Limit the number of bowlers at school...
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Captain Obvious
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 61
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Raises prize fund
Gets lower average bowlers experience
Adds more teams to the competitive field
Don't forget these:
Lowers the field average and inflates your better bowlers' stats
Makes teams ask "which LU team do we bowl this game?"
No offense to anyone, I'm just joking around. But, to an extent, it is true.
And, to respond to town from earlier, it is possible that a kid might go to LU for the coaching or whatever else, but with the limitations in place whats to say a kid may not take potential playing time into account when choosing a school?
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#7359 - 12/01/09 03:38 PM
Re: Limit the number of bowlers at school...
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Bowlmvcc19
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Registered: 02/19/07
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lowers the field average?? just like the donk conference tourneys some teams bowl??
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#7363 - 12/01/09 04:28 PM
Re: Limit the number of bowlers at school...
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fishe0711
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Registered: 03/30/08
Posts: 43
Loc: Saginaw, Michigan
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the heartland confererance may always have a low field average but that is not due to the amount of teams the begger schools bring. sag brings 5 or 6 to each heatland tourney and of those we will have 1 maybe 2 at or under field average with the rest above that.
If anything i would say that most of these school swho travel with 4,5, and 6 teams only help the field average, because most of the teams are a little above average.
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"second place is just the first loser"
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#7365 - 12/01/09 04:45 PM
Re: Limit the number of bowlers at school...
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VUbowl
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Registered: 12/03/08
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There are definitely different issues between both parts of the proposal. One part being about the 28 limit number, the other part being about the limit of number of teams to enter a tournament.
I was actually hoping that Karl would have separated the two and made them stand alone. Even though I did vote in favor of the proposal, mainly because of the 28 limit number, I likely at this point am not necessarily in favor of limiting the number a teams can take to a tournament IF the tournament isnt full. I do think we need to be consistent, meaning that if we want to impose a roster limit of 28, effectively making possible up to 5 teams, then the limit of team entries shouldnt be below that number.
I also think there needs to be some restrictions similar to what we have for Tier 1's put in place for Tier 2's though. Maybe not exactly the same rule but something along those lines.
Have a cut off date for entries by "schools" and then accept multiple teams based on availability. I also think that a "cash" rule similar to the Tier 1 rule should be imposed if we leave it open entry. Instead of one cash per team like Tier 1, possibly to two, or at the max three. The monopoly of players, and then team entries into tournaments has to be looked at from the perspective as far as knocking out other teams from potential funds for their programs. And if the argument is that "alls fair in love and war" and let the best teams win the money, then I think that will just hasten the adding of the rule we have been talking about.
Gary Sparks
Vincennes University
NCBCA Vice President
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#7366 - 12/01/09 05:05 PM
Re: Limit the number of bowlers at school...
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town
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Registered: 12/10/06
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Gary,
I feel like implimenting a "cashing rule" is a good idea. As although im sure that LU loves when we bring back multiple checks, I see the experience and preparing for the post season is more important anyways. HOWEVER, I feel like if there was a cashing rule for all tournaments (like teir ones), it would make even LESS sense to limit the amount of players or teams that a single school could enter int a tournament. Again, the larger schools would be adding to the prize pool, getting their lower average bowlers experience, and with this rule, the larger schools wouldnt even be bringing back all the money if they had a good weekend.
I feel like there could of been a proposed rule that schools had to turn in an A-B team roster at the beginning of each semester and they could only pick players out of that pool of around 14-20 for tier ones. Barring any injury, there couldnt be any mid semester changes. And even a team entry limit for those tier ones...(even tho they are usually full enough to where a larger school will only put in 2 teams max anyways).
But for the smaller tournaments, schools could use all their players to get them actual experience and prepare them to possibly bump up to that "elite" roster for second semester. You could put a "cashing" rule into the book so that just like tier ones, there was a limit on how much you can cash...But unlimited amount of teams and players (if there is obv room in the tournament)
Seems like that would be a happy medium for both parties. Could "even out the talent" scross the country as a player might leave one school and go to another so he can make their "elite" roster. But also not scare away possible recruits for the bigger schools because they would still get the coaching and some playing time in the smaller tournaments.
Just an idea I had, but it sounds like this topic was brought up to late because you mentioned you already voted, so this is most likely falling on deaf ears sadly.
Ryan Council
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LU 05-09
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