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#1205 - 02/20/07 03:41 PM JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady
kurtAngle Offline
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Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 14
both all around solid seasons but who has contributed the most to their team?? my opinion would be JR. Look at all the wins saginaw has posted this season! more this year then last years national championship team who lost two all americans. the gain of one player had more of an effect then the loss of two.

bottom line: JR has 4 top fives, 3 of which were teir 1, and one win in a teir 1 event. only 2 tournaments all season that he was out of the top 25, which were on house shots.


Ogrady also has a teir 1 win but there were only 160 bowlers there. he only has one other teir 1 top 5. how can the two be compared.

its all politics which is wrong. I cant see giving player of the year to anyone but DMAC, but with the politics anything can happen.

lets hear the arguements, what do you think about it?

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#1207 - 02/20/07 05:48 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: kurtAngle]
Shoot The J Offline
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Registered: 01/04/07
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O'Grady is more detrimental to the team. Raymond is a hell of a pick up, but without him Saginaw is still a Top 5 team. Withough O'Grady William Patterson is in the low-mid 20s.
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#1208 - 02/20/07 05:57 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: Shoot The J]
kurtAngle Offline
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i disagree. saginaw has tallent but it really just comes down to Dmac and JR. without one of those two saginaw would be hurting.

WP comes down to duire and Ogrady. granted duire isnt quite the quality of Dmac, but he is still up there. I dont think saginaw would be top five without JR

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#1211 - 02/20/07 06:15 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: kurtAngle]
rbroller815 Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 64
Loc: new lenox, IL
i think that it is hard to tell which has more of an effect. college bowling is a team game and both bring great chemistry. Both are great team bowlers. If you go by individual stats then you have to go JR but if you go by all around i think it is too close to tell.
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#1214 - 02/20/07 06:45 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: rbroller815]
DMAC Offline
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Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 327
Loc: Saginaw, MI
well i think that if you go by what kurtAngle is saying about wins and top 5's in teir 1 events then yes JR all the way. but we all know that bcuz O Grady is on team USA it will have a tramendous effect on things. not saying this is ur fault matt, but you will have the upper hand bcuz of it.

same goes with myself PJ is the past 2 years BOY and they are going to look at that and the team USA thing. i'm going out on the limb and saying they wont even recongnize that i'm on team CANADA and just absolutly destroyed youth worlds. I talked to PJ in vegas and we both agreed that yes they do get some easy tournaments to go to. there is no helping what goes on.

there will always be flaws in picking the BOY and the ROY we just have to look past it and congradulate whoever wins. Good luck to you Matt, JR, and PJ see you all at nationals.
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#1216 - 02/20/07 06:54 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: DMAC]
houdini84 Offline
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Registered: 12/09/06
Posts: 241
yes and i disagree with the whole team usa effect!! I dont think that should have any effect on the voting. college is college and youth is youth. but whatever happens happens,, good luck to everyone in sectionals and nationals!!
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#1217 - 02/20/07 07:01 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: houdini84]
rymac300 Offline
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Registered: 12/09/06
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i honestly dont have a clue who is better...jr and og are both amazing bowlers and im glad i dont have to pick the winner in those two...and with POY...i totally agree with angle of dmac...nobody has bowled better in my eyes...but its gonna be close...and i believe that all of these bowlers have respect for each others games...so who ever wins congrats!!! good luck to u guys at sectionals and nationals
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#1219 - 02/20/07 07:30 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: rymac300]
houdini84 Offline
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OG and I should be able to split the award!! I dont beleive you can name one or the other better as a rook......
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Mckendree University

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#1220 - 02/20/07 07:48 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: houdini84]
rymac300 Offline
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i totally agree with that statement!!! CO-ROY!!!
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#1222 - 02/20/07 08:32 PM Re: JR Raymond. VS Matt Ogrady [Re: rymac300]
rbroller815 Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: new lenox, IL
i agree with co-roy also both deserve it
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