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#9991 - 03/04/12 09:05 PM All time best team players in College bowling
CollegeBowlUSA Offline
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Every year the best of the season are a hot topic for discussion (all americans, rookies of the year, etc). But what about the most amazing TEAM players ever in college bowling! Because lets be honest... it takes WAY more than a great bowler to win a national championship.

So, who do you think are the most amazing TEAM PLAYERS ever???

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#9995 - 03/06/12 01:31 PM Re: All time best team players in College bowling [Re: CollegeBowlUSA]
Kimani Smith Offline
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I came into the college scene in 2007 and witnessed some amazing talent and different styles. Some of the amazing team players that I have seen bowl in my past years include:

Brian Valenta- BV is the first really good two-hand bowler Id ever seen. Seeing him loft it over the pattern was ridiculous at tournys. I also remember BV playing the gutter with a plastic ball at the Leatherneck my freshmen year which was nasty!

Daniel Farish- Never seen anyone play the gutter like him plus he hardly misses spares. He may not strike as much as a BV or DMac, but he is a great bowler because he is dead accurate and never misses spares.

D Mac-Awesome bowler. I remember him playing the gutter at the Hoosier my freshmen year and it was pretty nasty to watch.

Ogrady- First time seeing him bowl was also at the Hoosier my freshmen year.

Kyle Barnes- Just threw it super good then and still does today!

G Lambert-Solid player who threw it pretty good in the college days.

Derek Hartnell- Another good bowler. HIs name pretty much speaks for himself.

Osama K-Really good lefty who struck a lot!

Dean Richards-Bowled A team for LU all four years. Struck a ton!

Brett C-Another LU bowler. Very consistent bowler who rarely missed spares like Farish. Does the samething at the bottom everytime which makes him so dangerous.

C Bardol- Name speaks for himself.

Mikey Hill-Name Speaks for himself.

JR Raymond-Name speaks.

Toby S-Name speaks.

RJ Klann- Another LU teammate of mine who struck a ton! Even when he shot 250+ he couldn't carry lol.

Mike Conn-Name speaks for himself.

John S, Josh B, Jake P-All these guys threw it well and Im sure they still do.

EJ Parks-Made singles 2 or 3 times and has a National record along w other LU teammates. HE throws it very well.

Matt Gasn-Name speaks for self.

These were just some of the top guns of college bowling when I was participating. The most amazing person to watch probably was BV. The dude was just nasty with it!

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#10000 - 03/08/12 10:10 PM Re: All time best team players in College bowling [Re: Kimani Smith]
Kimani Smith Offline
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Registered: 12/11/09
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A few more people I thought of who also threw it good are

Gerald Richardson-the glove lol

Jesse Buss

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#10012 - 03/11/12 11:14 PM Re: All time best team players in College bowling [Re: Kimani Smith]
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CCSJ Ryan Gleghorn once led a tier 1 event by 12 avg pins
And was Itc MVP
CCSJ Sammy Krucek all American and great compliment
To Gleghorn
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#10013 - 03/12/12 08:26 PM Re: All time best team players in College bowling [Re: CoachK]
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In my 3, almost 4 years of college bowling, I would have to say that one of the best team oriented bowlers that I have witnessed would be TJ Schmidt. His personality and overall positive attitude towards the game are things that any coach could ask for in a bowler. Not only that, but he worked hard and had an outstanding year his last year. That team seemed to mold very well last year and it was always a pleasure bowling against them.

Talent is not everything when it comes to being a team player. It takes heart, determination, and trust in your teammates. So, that is why I believe TJ was one of the best team players in the time that I have been a college bowler.

As an honorable mention, I would like to include Tim Pfeifer, simply because of the run they made at the Allentown sectionals in 09 to make nationals. His team, on paper, was not all that great. However, his team seemed to be willed into stepping up and bowling well because of the insanely high level of intensity he brought to the tournament. It was just something you had to be there to see, and will always stick in the back of my mind when reflecting on my years of college bowling.


Edited by RIT_TylerHerrman (03/12/12 08:28 PM)
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#10070 - 03/30/12 07:20 PM Re: All time best team players in College bowling [Re: RIT_TylerHerrman]
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#10104 - 05/09/12 09:23 AM Re: All time best team players in College bowling [Re: CollegeBowlUSA]
Karl Nickolai Administrator Offline
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The question asked here is a very difficult one because 1) it is very subjective (what really makes a great "team" player?) and 2) the game has changed so much over the history of college bowling.

If I was asked to create a short list of the greatest male and female collegiate "team" players ever, I would look to what the coaches of the different time periods said about the athletes of their day. Since the NCBCA just named the 30th annual All-American teams that is what I would use as a measuring stick. Each season since 1982-1983, the NCBCA has recognized the very best of the best. Beginning in 2005-2006, the NTCA has named women's NCAA All-American teams that I would also include.

Using both longevity and only college bowling accomplishments (ignoring things done pre- and post- college bowling), my greatest collegiate "team" player lists for men and women would be those very few athletes that have been named as All-Americans four times (by either the NCBCA or NTCA).

FOUR-TIME NCBCA ALL-AMERICANS: MEN
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Brown, Travis - West Texas (1994, 1995, 1996, 1997)
Carter, David - Wm. Paterson (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993)
Ciccone, Joe - Erie CC (1994, 1995) Arizona State (1997, 1998)
Eoff, Derek - Neb.-Lincoln (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002)
Haggerty, P.J. - CSU-Fresno (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007)
Hoffman, Bill - Ohio State (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996)
O'Neill, Bill - Sag.Valley (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004)*
Sapp, Derek - W. Illinois (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
Sonnenfeld, Jeremy - Neb.-Lincoln (1996, 1997) W. Illinois (1999, 2000)
Steelsmith, Rick - Vincennes (1984, 1985) Wichita State (1986, 1987)*
Valenta, Brian - Lindenwood (2004, 2005, 2006, 2008)
Viale, Chris - Wm. Paterson (1988, 1989, 1991, 1992)
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* four-time First Team All-American

FOUR-TIME NCBCA ALL-AMERICANS: WOMEN
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Bandy, Kayla - Pikeville (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008)
Berke, Kim - Neb.-Lincoln (1989, 1990, 1991, 1992)
Coulles, Lindsey - Morehead State (2004, 2005, 2006) Central Florida (2008)
Crawford, Robin - Morehead St. (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
Current, Elysia - Fairleigh Dickinson (2004, 2005) Wichita State (2007, 2008)
Daugherty, Jennifer- Neb.-Lincoln (1996, 1997, 1998, 1999)
Harrelson, Brigette - Central Florida (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Kulick, Kelly - Morehead St. (1996, 1997, 1998, 1999)
Norry, Lynda - San Jose St. (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990)
Parker, Vicki - Indiana State (1983, 1984, 1985, 1986)*
Pruitt, Lynn- Indiana State (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)
Rapp, Keli - Erie CC (1996, 1997) CSU-Fresno (1998, 1999)
Rigby, Andrea - Neb.-Lincoln (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996)
Rocco, Amy - Arizona State (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
Stack, Lisa - C. Missouri (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000)
Yioulos, Kim - Pikeville (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012)
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* four-time First Team All-American

FOUR-TIME NTCA ALL-AMERICANS: WOMEN**
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Earnest, Josie - Vanderbilt (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010)
Hamilton, Brittni - Vanderbilt (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012)
Leuthold, Cassie - Nebraska (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010)
Rodriguez, Maria - Maryland-E.Shore (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)
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** For 2006, I would include first team, second team and honorable mention. For 2007-2012, I would include first team, second team and third team.

The two limitations to the above lists are they exclude anyone who started in college bowling before the 1982-83 season and anyone who is currently active and not yet completed four years. The records that still exist for the earlier period are limited at best. This makes inclusion difficult. Any current athletes could be added to the lists after becoming a four-time All-American.

There are some outstanding athletes that have been NCBCA (or NTCA) All-Americans three or fewer times for a lot of different reasons. Some may not have been "nominated" under the old system which required a paper "achievements" form be timely mailed at the end of the season for an athlete to be considered. Some may have been injured or sick, or simply participated in college bowling for three for fewer seasons. Some may have attended schools that just do not provide younger athletes a lot of actual playing time in competition. However, whatever the reason, there is something special about those few individuals that have achieved All-American status four times. That is why the above named athletes would be my short list for the "all-time" best team players in college bowling history.

Karl

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